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Postby CrittersMinion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:29 am

[Reposted from old comment system, from aburt on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:45:44 0000]

I miss the unmoderated days of Usenet. Light-handed moderation to eliminate clear-cut ads for things that are way off topic, like ads for viagra on a software developers forum, that makes perfect sense.

The problem is "moderation creep" -- people being more and more heavy-handed with moderation to keep forums in some personal vision of perfection. There's no central forum where everybody reads, so each narrow slice of discussion is made even narrower by this heavy moderation. The spread of knowledge (and the creation of new knowledge) suffers as a result.

I remember the days when moderated forums were, themselves, considered a bad thing. The concerns people had then have materialized, unfortunately.
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Postby CrittersMinion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:30 am

[Reposted from old comment system, from aburt on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:36:44 0000]

Jenny, the thing is, giving a moderator power to choose which new innovations to announce defeats the utility of being able to announce things that might be better than they sound. Likewise, having to reply to someone else defeats the purpose.

Linus Torvalds' posting announcing Linux fails the second and might fail the first test. It would be a shame if some moderator didn't feel his original post was worthy, and having to wait for someone to express a need that you're filling fails many of the examples of the birth notices for useful technologies. (See the article, I give lots of examples.)

I'm not saying forums should be unmoderated, but anything that isn't clearly off-topic should probably be allowed -- even if it's self serving, even if there's a pure profit motive behind it. The world benefits that way. Sparing people's sensitive eyes does a disservice to progress.
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Postby CrittersMinion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:30 am

[Reposted from old comment system, from Jenny on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:22:14 0000]

Eek, "you're" not "your." Sorry about that.
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Postby CrittersMinion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:30 am

[Reposted from old comment system, from Jenny on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:21:31 0000]

I think your post, while not spam to someone who fully read it, might appear spammy to someone who skimmed it. It's long, it sounds like your trying to sell something, and it wasn't in reply to someone facing the same problem as you. Dealing directly with a moderator to post things like that might be the way to go, or posting as a reply.

I'm not saying it was right to ban you, but that I can see why someone skimming through tons of spam might do so accidentally.
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Postby CrittersMinion » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:31 am

[Reposted from old comment system, from kahnie on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:05:15 0000]

It's a sad story indeed. I had a similar experience with Wikipedia. I wanted to post a short bio of myself and my books, but I immiediately received a message that I could not do anything on Wiki--because some oaf had "banned" me---and hundreds of others after he'd written a research entry on something completely different! i didn't understand what was going and sent an email of protest to the blockers. Needless to say, it has never been answered.

I looked it up and didn't recognize the blocker's name and had no interest in messing with his work. But somehow, he's managed to block off a huge section of input to the site and now innocent people can do nothing about it.

There seems to be a very loose definitation opf "spam" and some very selfish self-interests going around the Web.
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